- The New York Times
Which classic novel did you recently read for the first time?
Since
I’m a nonfiction writer, and always trying to remind people that
nonfiction is literature, too, I’ll talk about a classic work of
nonfiction, ok? I’d read large chunks of Edward Gibbon’s “The Decline
and Fall of the Roman Empire” in graduate school, inevitably, but a few
years ago a friend of mine told me he’d just finished listening to the
whole thing on audiobook, and I thought, Yup, now’s the time to tackle
the whole thing. So I started listening to the marvelous recording by Bernard Mayes
and I’m about to finish it after three years of shortish sessions on
the elliptical machine. Apart from the history that Gibbon narrates —
one that should be of interest to Americans right now, I’d say — I’m
just knocked over by the prose: those fabulous, architectural, Augustan
sentences are dazzling. Among other things, it’s a lesson in how
immaculate syntax is the best delivery vehicle for devastating irony.
Which fiction and nonfiction writers — playwrights, critics, journalists, poets — inspired you most early in your career? And which writers working today do you most admire?
During
the 1970s, when I was a teenager, I avidly followed the critics who
were then writing for The New Yorker. There was Andrew Porter on
classical music and opera; Helen Vendler on poetry; Whitney Balliett on
cabaret and jazz; Pauline Kael on movies; Penelope Gilliatt
on books; Arlene Croce on ballet. I lived in the suburbs and had very
little access to any of those art forms, but the sheer stylishness of
their writing, the total (but lightly worn) authority married to utter
accessibility, the confident idiosyncrasies, were very alluring to me
purely as a reader, and suggested to me at that early stage that
criticism was an interesting and important genre of writing in itself
and not merely parasitic. The critics I admire today, unsurprisingly,
have those qualities, whether it’s Vinson Cunningham raising an eyebrow
about “Humans of New York”
or the painter David Salle writing about Rei Kawakubo in The New York
Review of Books, or Francine Prose being unimpressed by some overhyped
new novel.
As for
fiction, I fell early under the sway of the historical novelist Mary
Renault, whose books set in ancient Greece were a major factor in
pushing me toward the study of the classics.
What kinds of books bring you the most reading pleasure these days?
Biographies,
letters, journals — the records of people’s lives, and the traces they
themselves leave behind. This may be a middle-aged thing: When you’re
(somewhat) closer to the end of life than to the beginning, it’s hard to
resist the impulse to start “taking stock” of yourself and what you’ve
done, and so it’s interesting to see how the lives of talented or
celebrated or important people looked to those people while they were
still living those lives. And of course, what the letters and journals
show is that most of our lives are mostly a jumble while we’re living
them, because we’re caught up in the day-to-day for the most part; it’s
for the biographers to perceive the contours, once it’s all over. I find
that reassuring.
Which genres are you drawn to and which do you avoid?
I
was long immune to the allure of fantasy literature. Even when I was a
kid, I couldn’t get into “The Lord of the Rings” and all the rest of it.
I’m not sure why, really. It may be that I got hooked on history and
biography when I was still very young — ancient Egypt, Greek and Roman
history, Plantagenet history, Elizabeth I, Mary, Queen of Scots — and I
just couldn’t imagine why anyone would need to invent a whole world or
civilization when the ones we already have are so fascinating. But I may
be evolving: I hugely enjoyed reading, and very much admired, all of
the “Game of Thrones” books, which I tackled a few years ago for a piece
I wrote about the TV series.
Unsurprisingly,
a genre I’ve always loved is historical fiction. There are a lot of
terrible examples out there, but when it works — when a deep sense of
history (not just the props, but the spirit) is married to an authentic
novelistic sensibility, as they are in the novels of Renault or Patrick
O’Brian or Hilary Mantel, to name a few of the best — it’s tremendously
satisfying. I find it amusing that this genre is still denigrated by
some critics as being a lesser form of the novel. I always want to
remind them that “War and Peace” and “Les Misérables” are historical
fiction.
What’s your favorite book to teach to students at Bard?
You’re
fishing! “The Odyssey,” of course, is one — of the two Homeric epics
it’s the one that students tend to enjoy more. But I also love teaching
Greek tragedy — it’s at once so formally strange, so stiffly stylized
and yet (of course) so eternally relevant in its themes. One of my
favorite teaching experiences was when I participated in Bard’s Prison
Initiative last autumn, teaching Sophocles and Euripides to the inmates
at a maximum-security facility about an hour from campus. I was blown
away by the men’s responses to the texts we read — by the way in which
they brought what they knew about violence and shame and disgrace and
guilt to dramas that are, of course, about those very things. As you can
imagine, it was very different from what even the smartest 19-year-old
undergraduates can bring to the seminar table.
Do you have a favorite book about writing or about literary criticism?
I have a favorite book of literary criticism, which is Edmund Wilson’s “Axel’s Castle.”
I think most of us who are professional critics are shadowed by the
secret fear that time will prove us wrong — the virtues of our
enthusiasms will prove to be ephemeral, or the things we panned will
turn out to be classics. What’s so remarkable to me about Wilson’s book,
which he published in 1931 and which is contemporary with some of the
authors he wrote about — Proust, Joyce, Pound, Stein — is that he got
everything just right. And right away, too: Within 10 years of the
publication of Proust’s “À la recherche du Temps Perdu” he’d completely
grasped everything about it that was important and revolutionary.
What book might people be surprised to find on your shelves?
I’ve
got piles of books about home décor and haute couture all around my
house. I’m currently slavering over the catalog for the Dior exhibition
at the Louvre.
What’s the best book you’ve ever received as a gift?
“A
Titanic Hero,” the biography of Thomas Andrews, the shipbuilder who
designed the Titanic (and went down with it). I was a Titanic groupie
when I was a kid — I belonged to the Titanic Enthusiasts of America —
and one day when I was around 12 an old family friend who was visiting
presented it to me. It’s hardly a great work of biography but it’s
always been the first book I pack up whenever I’ve moved.
Who is your favorite fictional hero or heroine? Your favorite antihero or villain?
Elizabeth
Bennet in “Pride and Prejudice”: Has there even been a more appealing
protagonist? She’s every smart person’s secret self: clever on the
outside, not so clever on the inside, and shocked to learn that the
brain can’t rule the heart. And her relationship with her father is so,
so great. It’s always surprising to me that more male writers don’t talk
about Austen as crucial to their literary identities; she seems
absolutely essential.
My
favorite villain has to be Vautrin in Balzac’s “The Human Comedy.” Like
all truly great writers, Balzac reserves some of his deepest sympathy —
and his greatest artistry — for his most depraved characters.
You’re organizing a literary dinner party. Which three writers, dead or alive, do you invite?
Easy:
Voltaire, Jane Austen, Gore Vidal. I’m not sure it would be the most
successful dinner party I’ve ever had, but I’d enjoy it.
If you could require the president to read one book, what would it be?
I have a Dantesque fantasy, in which he’d be forced to read “The Art of the Deal” over and over again, throughout eternity.
Who would you want to write your life story?
Well, I’m a memoirist. I think it’s fair to say the job is taken.
What do you plan to read next?
I’ve
just finished a three-month-long book tour, so pretty much anything
that isn’t my book would be a huge relief at this point … No, seriously:
I’ve got an idea for a book about Erich Auerbach, the great (really
great!) German literary scholar who fled Hitler and ended up writing his
(really!) great study of Western literature, “Mimesis,” in … Istanbul,
where he’d taken refuge. I ordered all his books, as well as a number of
books about him, while I was on tour, and they’ve all arrived by now.
There’s no better feeling than that: knowing that a pile of books
connected to some new project is waiting for you.
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